A common misconception is that meat is the best source of protein.
Consider the following animals: gorillas, cows, giraffes and elephants. All of them are raw food vegetarians! While you probably aren’t aiming to have their body types, they are great examples of how large and strong a living creature can be on a raw plant-based diet.
It's important to realize that we are not like any and every other animal on the planet, but one of the common animals we use for testings (mice) require more protein for their body mass than we do.
While animal products contain large amounts of protein, they are also high in cholesterol and saturated fat, which can lead to heart disease, cancer, and diabetes.
The raw plant-based diet is low in fat, free of cholesterol, loaded with enzymes and full of fiber. You don't see elephants cooking their greens first, and you don't see gorillas chowing down on bacon. You also don't see chronic disease among the animal kingdom except for in household pets and other domesticated animals.
What does this tell us about lab-made food vs. nature made food?
~ Raederle Phoenix
Response from qutequte:
I just watched a Chinese Traditional Medicine documentary today about peptide ulcers. The powdered medicine given to patients are derived from herbs. All plant properties: no meat.
If people think they can get well largely due to meat, they’re wrong!
Bill Clinton is an excellent example; He thinks going off meat (I think he still eats honey and drinks milk) will save his life. He will outlive the “2 more months to live” that’s been given to him by conventional doctors.
Response from Patty:
Always interesting, though I have to wonder how you can compare the diet of animals to humans? We have different needs than animals and some meat proteins are probably to our benefit rather than avoiding meat altogether?
I’m not a big meat eater, but I am also not a vegetarian. I am still one who thinks moderation is key in all food groups, though I could eat more fish and veggies.
Even though I'm the one who started this discussion in the first place, I think meat isn’t the debate people should be having.
It’s sugar that causes meat cravings. It’s sugar that is addictive. It’s sugar that pulls calcium out of the bones. It’s sugar that’s in everything. Sugar is what has all the money and does all of the lobbying. Sugar advertising is much more insidious and sneaky. Sugar is what is marketed at children.
Even when people “go raw” they still cling to agave, honey, xylitol, stevia or whatever is being marketed as a “healthy” sweetener. There are no healthy sweeteners. While meat may or may not be extremely bad for you, I can say without a single doubt that refined sugars are extremely horribly bad for you. I just don’t think meat holds a candle to the damage caused by sugar.
~ Raederle Phoenix
Response from qutequte:
You asked a very good question Patty.
Why compare animals’ diet to human’s?
All animals that are fed with corn feed, all of them suffer from gastric and peptide ulcers. More antibiotics. More superbugs formed (MRSA). And humans eat them.
Also, much of science around food and medicine, are all based on food experiments on lab rats, mice and rabbits (because they reproduce faster than other mammals). A rat requires more protein and iron than humans, and yet they are used in the scientific experiments we base much of our understanding on!
All meat contains bad cholesterol. Meat has both good and bad fat but it isn’t the fat that is the real problem.
How do you moderate meat when you know that frying and cooking meat is cancerous; even when cooked right?
How much is “too much” meat? Do you know your body’s tolerance to meat or anything toxic, like a meter?
And can you stand the thought of calves ripped from their mothers and murdered before they even had the chance to drink milk from their mothers?
I avoid fish for three reasons.
Firstly because many of them are polluted and thereby really unhealthy.
The second problem is many fish, like Chilean seabass, are going extinct. Clams, Longtail Tuna, Yellow-banded scad, Yellowtail fusilier are all going extinct in Malaysia.
The third problem with fish, is that many of them are farm-raised (affects not very different from farmed cattle, pigs, chicken, etc).
To me, meat offers little nutrition to balance out the animal protein and fat the human body doesn’t need. The only thing that I am now looking at is Vitamin B12 which cannot be absorbed by the body (found in algae and Spirulina). I will have to look further into this.
From what I've read, fresh truly wild meat wouldn't be anything like what most people think of when they think of "meat." The meat that is sold in stores is from raised animals who are fed garbage diets, given shots, and all sorts of unnatural things that don't occur in the wild. Even when you buy "free range" meat, you're only paying for an animal that got a slight fraction more exercise, and is thereby leaner.
I wasn't a vegetarian before I went raw. I don't have an ethical problem with killing and eating animals. Animals kill and eat each other. That's natural survival of the fittest.
I do have a problem with penning up hundreds of animals in close quarters, letting them get diseased, malnutrition-ed and under-exercised. That alone could be considered torture.
The first thing I cut from my diet, before anything else, was high fructose corn syrup. It makes the negative side effects linked to meat look tame by comparison.
However, that said, if you want to keep improving your health over time, eventually you'll come to the conclusion that you either don't want meat in your diet at all, or that you want it in tiny portions few and far between from a carefully researched source.
Ela says: "I totally agree with you about the sugar thing - and everyone is so addicted that it's very hard even to have a sensible discussion about it."
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